Since the general election, we have been bombarded by data and statistics. This age group was more likely to vote for this party; that age group for that party; men for this lot; women for that lot; graduates this way; non-graduates that way; homeowners, renters, in work, out of work: the vote seems to have been divided a thousand ways by the seemingly ever-expanding number of polling companies who populate the political arena.
I am a loyal trade unionist who supports his branch and strongly believes that ‘the union’ is something we build rather than a ‘function’. We had a branch meeting this week where the GS attended. No I won’t name names, but my union has a political fund which I pay into and use it to support Labour.
It was obvious that the GS and Committee are not happy with Starmer and his ilk, wanting something more radical. It’s also obvious they are all dyed-in-the-wool Remainers determined that the referendum is not going to be the last word. Had the result been the other way do you think ‘Leave’ would be getting any airtime? No, neither do I!
My point is that the vast majority of my fellow TU members -especially those who engage, turn up at meetings and on the picket lines and do the donkey work - are pro-Brexit, so this split is not just in the Labour Party. I fear we’ll be back in - actually or de facto - within 5- 10 years because of a determined putsch by EU loving politicians who seem unable to imagine a future without it.
Hi Paul, I think any chance of rapprochement with their original core sailed many years ago. The new core support and the MPs (apart from a few tokens) are largely ABs. Labour has been taken over by middle class graduates and I think is irredeemable (as by the way are the Conservatives). Labour under Blair adopted the globalist economic model. There’s zero evidence Rachel Reeves will change this, so for the foreseeable future we will be focussed on pure GDP growth derived from continuing mass immigration. GDP will grow, per capita GDP will remain static or even continue falling, and in five years time Labour MPs will be wondering why despite all the growth there’s not enough money to meet demand on resources (except of course the AB’s will continue to be much better off and unable to see there’s a problem). As someone who would identify as Old Labour, I find it depressing that those actually addressing the economic issues are all in the new conservatives (who I instinctively distrust) with deafening silence from the left. The world is truly turned upside down.
Id also suggest former Labour voters who came back to give us 1 more chance who are out of the cities Working class may have been reluctant remainers who didn’t want a second referendum for remain or leavers who wanted a soft brexit or rather with their late fathers whispering I. Their ears as they voted
Tory for the first time in 2919 Just abstained
And saw voting labour In 2024
With trepidation as Getting the Tories out rather than Labour in as the statistics show those ex Labour who stopped voting Labour in’19 could’ve abstained In 2024 wanting Labour to win ,not bothering based on where they Lived and treated the forthcoming Labour victory as obvious, was going to happen as inevitable, and
Aware that Labour didn’t want their votes but our only pitch was time for a change as Labour was going along with what it had been advised to say on “towns “ ,”localism” , “small c conservatism” and “ communitarianism”
90k illegals likely to be given the right to remain and thus enter the workforce.How about a &£50 per week tax paid by the business that employs the individuals which would generate £216 million and maybe a small amount from the individuals to contribute to UK finances.
And or immediate enrolment into UK Armed Forces for 5 years.
Think this would act as a deterrent and also a show of faith and allegiance and loyalty to the adopted country.
If those young men are fit enough to travel across countries and seas to get here In sure they’ll be fit enough to pass basic training.
I am a loyal trade unionist who supports his branch and strongly believes that ‘the union’ is something we build rather than a ‘function’. We had a branch meeting this week where the GS attended. No I won’t name names, but my union has a political fund which I pay into and use it to support Labour.
It was obvious that the GS and Committee are not happy with Starmer and his ilk, wanting something more radical. It’s also obvious they are all dyed-in-the-wool Remainers determined that the referendum is not going to be the last word. Had the result been the other way do you think ‘Leave’ would be getting any airtime? No, neither do I!
My point is that the vast majority of my fellow TU members -especially those who engage, turn up at meetings and on the picket lines and do the donkey work - are pro-Brexit, so this split is not just in the Labour Party. I fear we’ll be back in - actually or de facto - within 5- 10 years because of a determined putsch by EU loving politicians who seem unable to imagine a future without it.
Hi Paul, I think any chance of rapprochement with their original core sailed many years ago. The new core support and the MPs (apart from a few tokens) are largely ABs. Labour has been taken over by middle class graduates and I think is irredeemable (as by the way are the Conservatives). Labour under Blair adopted the globalist economic model. There’s zero evidence Rachel Reeves will change this, so for the foreseeable future we will be focussed on pure GDP growth derived from continuing mass immigration. GDP will grow, per capita GDP will remain static or even continue falling, and in five years time Labour MPs will be wondering why despite all the growth there’s not enough money to meet demand on resources (except of course the AB’s will continue to be much better off and unable to see there’s a problem). As someone who would identify as Old Labour, I find it depressing that those actually addressing the economic issues are all in the new conservatives (who I instinctively distrust) with deafening silence from the left. The world is truly turned upside down.
Id also suggest former Labour voters who came back to give us 1 more chance who are out of the cities Working class may have been reluctant remainers who didn’t want a second referendum for remain or leavers who wanted a soft brexit or rather with their late fathers whispering I. Their ears as they voted
Tory for the first time in 2919 Just abstained
And saw voting labour In 2024
With trepidation as Getting the Tories out rather than Labour in as the statistics show those ex Labour who stopped voting Labour in’19 could’ve abstained In 2024 wanting Labour to win ,not bothering based on where they Lived and treated the forthcoming Labour victory as obvious, was going to happen as inevitable, and
Aware that Labour didn’t want their votes but our only pitch was time for a change as Labour was going along with what it had been advised to say on “towns “ ,”localism” , “small c conservatism” and “ communitarianism”
90k illegals likely to be given the right to remain and thus enter the workforce.How about a &£50 per week tax paid by the business that employs the individuals which would generate £216 million and maybe a small amount from the individuals to contribute to UK finances.
And or immediate enrolment into UK Armed Forces for 5 years.
Think this would act as a deterrent and also a show of faith and allegiance and loyalty to the adopted country.
If those young men are fit enough to travel across countries and seas to get here In sure they’ll be fit enough to pass basic training.